tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post4895603619487639620..comments2022-03-25T12:47:06.323-05:00Comments on The Fat Pagan: Obesity! Crisis! Hits Pagan CommunityKitsune Yokaihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14395855731012641970noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-46314898983090322882012-09-28T17:57:30.765-05:002012-09-28T17:57:30.765-05:00Thank you! If you go up to the "Links,Links,L...Thank you! If you go up to the "Links,Links,Links!" tab, there is a big list of blogs, research, photo projects and more. I've included the links, so all you have to do is click.<br /><br />BTW, weight loss pills aren't needed here. Kitsune Yokaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14395855731012641970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-18857721341570351182012-09-28T05:02:53.261-05:002012-09-28T05:02:53.261-05:00Hey there! This is my first comment here so I just...Hey there! This is my first comment here so I just wanted to give a quick shout out and tell <br />you I genuinely enjoy reading your articles. Can you recommend any other blogs/websites/forums that go over the same subjects?<br />Thanks for your time!<br /><i>Also visit my site</i> : <b><a href="http://www.proactolplusreviewsbuy.com/why-it-is-important-to-buy-proactol-plus/" rel="nofollow">proactol plus</a></b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-40991909797610123482012-07-23T15:02:33.308-05:002012-07-23T15:02:33.308-05:00So if you do a google search on Images or Statues ...So if you do a google search on Images or Statues of Goddesses, you will notice that most are very voluptuous. They are not "thin" nor are they "obese". They are women with a nice chest and big hips and have an hourglass figure. So should we say that the "skinny" people of the pagan community should shunned as well. After all they are not what a true Goddess looks like. They have no hips, no chest and quite frankly look like a young boy. People if you are happy with the way you look and feel then who cares what anyone else thinks of you. Why do so many people have concerns about how you will be judged? Be happy and if someone doesn't like you and accept you for who you are then they aren't worth the time and effort to begin with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-48023901714479635582012-07-23T11:58:39.802-05:002012-07-23T11:58:39.802-05:00the shoe HAS been on the "other foot" ma...the shoe HAS been on the "other foot" many times! Being an ACTUAL "young, fit, educated Pagan" who believes in maintain a certain physical appearance, and appreciates the nicer things in life, and has worked hard to get them... AND has been functioning within the Pagan community for over a decade. i have experienced the same ridicule and discrimination from WITHIN THE PAGAN COMMUNITY, for being all the things i listed. So am i not supposed to go to pagan events because i wear designer clothes and spend a good about of time at the gym, because many people at these events will make fun of the way I look?<br /><br />no, i will go back to the store! Because i am a strong, confidant, determined PAGAN, and my WILL and relationship with the Great Mother reflect that! <br /><br />So, the question the over-weight and obese pagan population might ask themselves is "am i happy with my life the way it is." and if the answer is yes, which i seriously doubt it is or we wouldn't be having this conversation at all, that's fine. then I invite you to OWN your weight and potentially declining health, but if the answer is no... is you WILL as a Magick-worker strong enough to do something about it?Josh Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-86883947413590557922012-07-23T11:49:44.773-05:002012-07-23T11:49:44.773-05:00I TOTALLY agree with you Eric!
Even more things ...I TOTALLY agree with you Eric! <br /><br />Even more things to heal in the pagan-community's consciousness, lack of accountability for one's health and poverty-mentality! We are supposed to be MAGICK WORKERS! But if one's life is so out of order that they can't manage the condition of their body (food-intake+exercise=weight) and they maintain a poverty-mentality (i'm poor, i'll always be poor, people like me don't have money... money is for other people... not Pagans) then how can you possibly be an effective magick-worker...<br /><br />Ineffective Will is ineffective Will, doesn't matter if it's at the alter, or the McDonalds drive-thru.Josh Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-58615997640091488392012-07-22T13:33:58.512-05:002012-07-22T13:33:58.512-05:00There are people of all shapes and sizes and we al...There are people of all shapes and sizes and we all have to eat right and exercise. One thing for certain is that you can't tell that someone is unhealthy simply by their weight. The obesity war is especially focused on women and our bodies. As much as anyone tries to frame weight as a medical issue, its simple discrimination.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-1627648942306451472012-07-21T23:09:54.235-05:002012-07-21T23:09:54.235-05:00One of the most comprehensive posts I've seen ...One of the most comprehensive posts I've seen on the issue! Thank you so much for taking the time to put it together. I did my own take at www.fatandnotafraid.jigsy.com if you're interested. Also, the quote from Shakesville? 110% WIN.JeninCanadahttp://www.fatandnotafraid.jigsy.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-3239633819787408502012-07-21T21:41:59.883-05:002012-07-21T21:41:59.883-05:00If a group of people made fun of someone who can&#...If a group of people made fun of someone who can't read, the majority of society would find that despicable and there would be public outrage.<br /><br />If a group of people makes fun of an obese person at the gym, not only does no one see it as inherently wrong, they blame the fat person because "it's their own fault they're fat." Would you repeatedly go to a store where you are repeatedly badgered for being pagan? What if that was the only place to obtain a good or service that you need? That is a choice overweight people face.<br /><br />Trust me, self-described "young, fit, educated Pagan"...if the shoe was on the other foot, you would see the discrimination and rail against it with the rest of us. Kindly take the time to educate yourself on the other views and walks of life in this community before claiming to have the "one true solution".followthespiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01816717808608001409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-55419739093789650202012-07-21T18:54:24.134-05:002012-07-21T18:54:24.134-05:00You know, I've been finding ways to make the h...You know, I've been finding ways to make the healthier choices taste just as good to me at the start as the unhealthy ones. I've researched recipes and such that work well and use natural ingredients but still taste good. That's how I've been transitioning. I also allow myself one night a week to be naughty with my choices on the understanding that it's only the one night and the rest of the week I'm back to normal. Usually it just means I get get icecream though. :) Even with these changes, I'm still considered fat by most people. However, I am able to out-move several of my skinnier "healthier" friends and have even been labelled as "freakishly strong" by many of them. Have I shrunk in size? Not really. But I'm faster, stronger and I feel better every day. That's what counts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-29132474281755394792012-07-21T17:09:27.458-05:002012-07-21T17:09:27.458-05:00As a close friend of Dave's I am agreeing with...As a close friend of Dave's I am agreeing with Star. There were a lot of health complications that both caused his weight gain and weight loss that are, quite frankly, not any of the public's business. So no...his weight didn't have anything to do with his heart attack. Thank you, move alongAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14973762147383767376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-26013948625749288792012-07-20T19:49:54.175-05:002012-07-20T19:49:54.175-05:00I would say there is a larger amount of obese folk...I would say there is a larger amount of obese folks in the pagan community for a few of reasons. Big one being that most of us are poor. Obesity is an epidemic amongst the poor because most of us can only afford to buy processed crap that is more fattening than nutritive and contains compounds that encourage weight gain. We are more accepting of it, so people don't have that peer pressure we see in other aspects of our lives to lose weight. We also tend to be more pleasure oriented and unfortunately, those foods that cause pleasure tend to also add to the waistline ;-)Eric Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07649565035137262899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-61084044258117733812012-07-20T19:03:07.845-05:002012-07-20T19:03:07.845-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Eric Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07649565035137262899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-10145368442811093772012-07-20T18:58:21.956-05:002012-07-20T18:58:21.956-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Eric Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07649565035137262899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-45848680833571166452012-07-20T15:39:50.904-05:002012-07-20T15:39:50.904-05:00That's vastly different than Type 2 diabetes b...That's vastly different than Type 2 diabetes being non-existent in the wild. Also, being hunted down & eaten by predators is not one of the leading causes of death for humans - I would imagine that death by predation would come long before an animal died of Type 2 diabetes complications.Andrew Milmoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07955783657163968719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-83176208324541504022012-07-20T14:58:21.839-05:002012-07-20T14:58:21.839-05:00Type 2 diabetes isn't one of the leading cause...Type 2 diabetes isn't one of the leading causes of death for animalsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-65950591949196424982012-07-20T14:42:11.970-05:002012-07-20T14:42:11.970-05:00Two minutes of googling yields:
http://ask.yahoo....Two minutes of googling yields:<br /><br />http://ask.yahoo.com/20060904.html<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/opinion/sunday/our-animal-natures.html?pagewanted=all<br /><br />From the NY Times article:<br /><br />"I’d long assumed that wild animals stayed effortlessly lean and healthy. I’d always thought that wild animals ate until they were full and then prudently stopped. But in fact, given the chance, many wild fish, reptiles, birds and mammals overindulge. Sometimes spectacularly so. Abundance plus access — the twin downfalls of many a human dieter — can challenge wild animals, too.<br /><br />Although we may think of food in the wild as hard to come by, at certain times of the year and under certain conditions, the supply may be unlimited. Many gorge, stopping only when their digestive tracts literally cannot take any more. Tamarin monkeys have been seen to eat so many berries in one sitting that their intestines are overwhelmed and they soon excrete the same whole fruits they recently gobbled down."Andrew Milmoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07955783657163968719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-36998250065161840882012-07-20T09:53:31.892-05:002012-07-20T09:53:31.892-05:00Yes!Yes!Josh Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-69802638433229805792012-07-20T01:48:20.189-05:002012-07-20T01:48:20.189-05:00"obesity doesn't exist in the Natural wor..."obesity doesn't exist in the Natural world"<br /><br />Really? Are you sure of that?Andrew Milmoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07955783657163968719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-29977583371935088402012-07-20T01:10:18.196-05:002012-07-20T01:10:18.196-05:00Hey everyone, thanks for the comments! I seem to b...Hey everyone, thanks for the comments! I seem to be having issues commenting on my own stuff, so I have switched to the pop up option. I hope the issue is fixed soon.<br /><br />Peter Dybing, thank you for commenting on this article! I hope that you don't take this post as a personal attack; I wasn't attacking you, only the facts you presented. I still respect you and all that you have done. May you continue to be blessed.<br /><br />To those who nay say about "iffy data", if you cannot accept the legitimate studies that I have linked to, actual studies done by actual scientists, then I cannot persuade you with anything more powerful. If you cannot accept science, then I cannot talk to you anymore. <br /><br />Star, Thorn, thank you so much for your input! You are so awesome, words cannot even. <br /><br />For those of you who have experienced the hate, I have this quote for you: <br /><i> "My fellow fatsronauts: Maybe your parents police your body, maybe your partner comments on your eating habits, maybe your boss passes you over for promotions, maybe your coworkers make snide comments about your weight, maybe your thin friends passive-aggressively use your weight to make themselves feel better about their insecurities, maybe strangers say awful shit to you, and maybe you have days where it feels like you are truly, hopelessly, resoundingly unlovable, just because you're fat.<br /><br />It isn't so. I love the fuck out of you." </i> http://www.shakesville.com/2012/05/big-fat-love.htmlKitsune Yokaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14395855731012641970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-69139875114317647812012-07-19T23:51:21.615-05:002012-07-19T23:51:21.615-05:00Hmmmm, do you let these anonymous others make all ...Hmmmm, do you let these anonymous others make all your decisions for you?<br /><br />Because that's what I see in that excuse: they'll make fun of me, so I won't do it. That's handing over control to them.<br /><br />Why should your health be neglected because they're ignorant and immature?Ursylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16637033852568247017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-72294603986755148392012-07-19T19:55:44.396-05:002012-07-19T19:55:44.396-05:00Apologies to "John" --- make that "...Apologies to "John" --- make that "Josh W." ;)<br /><br />BTW3DNon-BNPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-13502467967268752462012-07-19T19:40:58.054-05:002012-07-19T19:40:58.054-05:00my point is, there is always a reason not to do so...my point is, there is always a reason not to do something that is good for you! it tends to be because "it's hard." but one has to ask oneself the question, "do i wanna work hard and make a better life for myself, and my loved ones, or do I wanna let myself be unhealthy, potentially becoming a burden on my family, or killing myself."Josh Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-73013069261668992852012-07-19T19:36:05.781-05:002012-07-19T19:36:05.781-05:00so you'd agree that the teenager who never lea...so you'd agree that the teenager who never learned to read should NEVER ask for help because people will make fun of her, right?<br /><br />or<br /><br />someone with a speech-impediment shouldn't practice speaking in public because people will make fun of them...<br /><br />or <br /><br />the young urban executive who just left a business meeting shouldn't go to the local Pagan gathering because people will make fun of the way she's dressedJosh Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-55396494620965980222012-07-19T18:56:45.384-05:002012-07-19T18:56:45.384-05:00Part of the problem is that, when a fat person dec...Part of the problem is that, when a fat person decides to get some exercise, he or she is often subject to ridicule. <br />Last fall, I was with a group of co-workers watching a group of women who were walking outside for exercise. One of them was tall and heavy, and my co-workers were pointing and laughing at her. I thought to myself, if that's how they see her, they're going to point and laugh at me, too. Therefore, I have never joined in any company exercise. I refuse to subject myself to ridicule in my quest to become healthier.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703784548093472811.post-55178486817756826282012-07-19T17:04:36.743-05:002012-07-19T17:04:36.743-05:00Thank you Josh - I am so glad this topic is being ...Thank you Josh - I am so glad this topic is being discussed. There seems to be a lot of knee-jerk, defensive reaction to observations of what IS. Stating what is true is not necessarily a judgement.<br /><br />I have had many people ask me, "Why are there so many obese pagans?" I'm not sure how to answer this. I have a foot in many worlds, Pagan among them. And I have noticed a disproportionate number of obese individuals in the Pagan community compared to say, New Age communities, or even other earth-loving spiritual communities. <br /><br />I see less awareness or consciousness around food choices and exercise. Among my Pagan family, I have been regarded as a freak because I don't want to eat with them at fast food places, and I actually prefer to eat vegetables - the fresher the better! Yet I'm more fit and active than any of them.<br /><br />I would like to see more consciousness in the Pagan Community in regard to food choices, and awareness of the benefits of eating organic, choosing free range meat, cutting out the processed sugars and carbs, etc. Eating what most benefits our bodies and the planet that sustains us.Alchemical Amazonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16623752834920294799noreply@blogger.com